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Sunday, May 6, 2012

911 - What happened to the Pentagon crash bodies?


If most of Flight 77 disintegrated from hitting the Pentagon's wall and the rest of it burned up after the explosion, how did officials manage to find the remains of all but one of the 64 passengers onboard inside the building all the way up to the Ring C?
The search team put an 'X' on each door with markings which signified the date, information and the number of victims found in the room. "Out of respect to the victims, we were not to videotape body remains of any victims found," Rothschadl said." -Press & Dakotan (09/11/03)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x5182
Question: What happened to the Pentagon crash bodies?

First of all, I should admit that I have never believed the "no plane" theory about the Pentagon crash. But I was reading an interview with David Ray Griffin, who I generally find very convincing, and was shocked that he subscribes to the "no plane" theory.

Then I thought, if there was a plane then there had to have been bodies. Bodies are routinely and almost always recovered from ordinary airplane crashes. And although the plane hit a building, the Pentagon, there was nothing comparable to the fire and collapse of the WTC that made body recovery difficult.

So here's a simple question: Were all the passenger bodies recovered? Here in NYC, the Fire Dept and construction crews were extraordinarily respectful for months after 9/11. Everytime they discovered a body or even body part (especially of a firefighter) all work halted and the body was solemnly carried out of the site with a flag.

I don't remember any such ceremonies at the Pentagon.

Then I googled "pentagon bodies recovered" expecting to find routine news reports about the recovery of all the passenger bodies.

Instead I got this shocking report from PBS Newshour from a few days after 9/11. It states that the passenger bodies and Pentagon military casualties were burned beyond recognition and not expected to be recovered identified.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec01/forens... {excerpt:SUSAN DENTZER: More than 6,500 people are now believed to have been killed in last week's two terrorist attacks. At New York's World Trade Center, many bodies were burned, then dismembered or crushed below collapsing steel and concrete. At the Pentagon, most of the bodies of 64 aboard the American Airlines jet and another 124 in military offices were often burned beyond recognition. Clearly many remains will never be recovered, and identifying what can be recovered, much of it in mere fragments, will be a nearly unimaginable task.}

"At the Pentagon, most of the bodies of 64 aboard the American Airlines jet and another 124 in military offices were often burned beyond recognition. Clearly many remains will never be recovered, and identifying what can be recovered, much of it in mere fragments, will be a nearly unimaginable task."

I am stupified by this. Compared to the WTC, the Pentagon was essentially an ordinary plane crash, from which bodies are ordinarily recovered, mostly in tact or in identifiable parts. Does anyone know whether the bodies were recovered and if not, why not????
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1. The names of the "hijackers" weren't on the passenger list. If the "hijackers" used stolen identification, the fake names wouldn't have identified them. So, how were they identified ...and by 11:00 am on 9/11/01?

Did 9/11 officials go to the actual homes of the "hijackers" and speak with the next of kin? Perhaps when they knocked on the door, they could even have met the hijackers... and taken a sworn statement.
(At least, that would give them a body to correctly match with a name.)
Seriously, how were the flight 77 "hijackers" identified (in the official story)? I don't remember hearing about any cell-phone-video transmisions from 20,000 feet or even 8,000 feet. Or, were they identified by a stewardess calling in with the statement "He has dark hair?" Or did Barbara Olson identify them and relay their names in her phone call?

That almost instant identification of the "19 hyjackers" is one of the things that's bothered me most about the 911 story. Did the 9/11 commission verify these identities? If so, how?
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2. If you think flight 77 hit the Pentagon, it is a matter of faith that either burned bodies strapped to seats were recovered OR that the bodies were almost completely incinerated. It is one of those two, I'm never sure which argument they use.

However, there are no photos of plane seats in the Pentagon, no witness reports of seats, and precious little information to support the idea that bodies from the plane were recovered.

They did do a DNA analysis, and supposedly matched all the passengers. But I take that with a grain of salt.

This lack of information about bodies is one reason I think the idea that flight 77 hit the Pentagon is a BIG LIE.
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3. The DNA identification specifically avoided the hijackers and made no attempt to identify them - they just figured that the leftover bodies must have been the hijackers. The names used for the hijackers were taken from the manifest (which has never been published). Obviously, some/all the hijackers were not who they appear as on the manifest - Salem al-Hazmi is still alive. Also, the original list of hijackers contains a name (Mansour Khaled) which was rapidly deleted and replaced by Hani Hanjour. MK never reappeared on the list of victims - he just disappeared from the manifest altogether.

The Commission didn't verify the identities, they just took the manifest names, even though 6 of them were obviously false.

Amazingly, the names of the people who tried to hijack United 23 that day (it was also flying from Boston to LA, but was recalled just before takeoff) have never been published (as far as I know). If they were using their real names, shouldn't the public be told what they are? Or shouldn't they be at least be arrested and sent to Gitmo for water boarding?
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4. They did not match "all the passengers". They identified all but five of the victims:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/stripe/6_48/national_new...
Given that they made no attempt whatsoever to identify the hijackers (they just figured they were the left-over bodies), can't you see where the fix is? I've seen statements by HH's family in the press - I'm sure they'd be willing to give a DNA sample, but they were never asked and neither were the other supposed hijackers' families. Hell, Salem al-Hazmi is still alive, so I guess they could get a sample directly from him.
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5. ..the Painful Deceptions section of the Confronting the Evidence DVD, one of the pictures of the Pentagon site shows a tall (what looks to be)wooden stool with an open book on it. It's sitting at the very edge of the hole made by the alleged plane. Neither stool nor book shows evidence of fire damage.

There's no way this could be the case when the aircraft, seats, luggage, passengers etc. were all supposedly vaporized.

Nope! No passenger craft went into the Pentagon. Ya' know..I've seen accounts and pictures of many plane crashes over a lot of years. Never, ever have I read of an account of an aircraft that just vaporized. Vanished. No bodies, nothing. I don't care what it slammed into.

That whole Pentagon thing was a hoax. Watch "Painful Deceptions".
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6. A more recent article is here:

http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/stripe/6_48/national_new ...

"We immediately called in regional medical examiners from as far away as San Diego to participate," Ensign said. A total of 12 forensic pathologists, assisted by two AFIP staff pathologists, headed the investigation team. Also arriving at Dover during those early critical hours were two other key AFIP groups: forensic scientists from OAFME's Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory and oral pathologists from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology.

AFDIL scientists ensured data systems and records were available to make DNA identifications, while the oral pathology group created a triage area to conduct positive dental identifications. Contacts were also made with family services in each branch of the military to obtain ante-mortem information and reference material. Mortuary operations were fully underway by the evening of Sept. 13. AFIP used a well-defined and tested system for conducting the identifications of the Pentagon victims. When remains arrived at the morgue, a scanning device searched for the presence of unexploded ordnance or metallic foreign bodies. A computerized tracking system assigned numbers to each victim for efficient tracking.

FBI experts collected trace evidence to search for chemicals from explosive devices and conducted fingerprint identifications. Forensic dentistry experts from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology performed dental charting and comparison with ante-mortem dental records. Full-body radiographs followed to document skeletal fractures and assist in the identification process, followed by autopsy inspection.

At autopsy, forensic pathologists determined the cause and manner of death, aided by forensic anthropologist Dr. William C. Rodriguez in determining the race, sex, and stature of victims. A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicology studies. Forensic photographers, essential to any forensic investigation, documented injuries and personal effects. Mortuary specialists then embalmed, dressed, and casketed remains prior to release to next-of-kin.

For eight days a full complement of AFIP forensic specialists worked 12-hour shifts to complete the operation.


All but five of the 189 people who died in the Pentagon crash were identified.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/pentagon-attack.htm

According to the above site, the remains of the hijackers were separated from the unidentified remains. How? It's my understanding that the hijackers, five in all, were discovered closer to the entry hole in the Pentagon, while all others in the back of the plane were found closer to the A-E punchout hole. I don't know if I can find that chart again - it's in one of my precious PDF files.
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