Monday, December 12, 2011
AN ARMY OF ALIENS IN A "BUS"
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One night in mid-September 1971, Juan Rodriguez Dominguez, 80, was guarding a melon farm owned by a lieutenant general of infantry, called "Los Lunarejos" in Aznalcóllar (Sevilla).
About 10:00 pm, Juan, came into the village, very nervous and very scared.
He told his neighbors that "something" very big, like a bus, had landed in the field.
The researchers Ignacio Darnaude and Manuel Osuna managed to interview the witness.
Juan said that about 350 feet away, he watched the landing of a large luminous object, from which descended out of two doors (front, side and back side) a large number of humanoids.
The witness said it was very similar to buses on route to the capital Seville.
He saw more than 50 men of small stature wearing tight, blue uniforms.
They wore "visors" or "something" that prevented him from seeing their faces.
They advanced like a small army, without speaking, in perfect order.
They all went in the direction of a well.
5 or 6 humanoids stayed in the vicinity of the device.
One of small beings had a "lantern" that shone on the witness, causing minor discomfort.
Juan was armed with a shotgun, but never thought of using it (deterred by the large number of humanoids).
At that time, he believed that the beings sent him a mental command (telepathy) to leave the place. He did so, fleeing in fear to the village.
At first Juan thought it might even be an attempted coup against the regime of Francisco Franco.
In the landing place, there appeared traces of a multitude of small footprints.
No doubt this incident is a case of distortion, as Juan Rodriguez, had done military service, worked for a high-ranking military and humanoids behaved and dressed as military.
Besides, the "vehicle" that came down with more than 50 "soldiers" was very similar to the bus that the witness was accustomed to seeing pass through the village.
In fact, the “vehicle” had two doors like that bus which contained lots of people just like the humanoids in the UFO.
Juan unconsciously combined the passengers factor with the military factor (the military is evident throughout all the experience ).
Even the conduct of the alleged alien who shined a light on Juan, was the same as what a military troop might do.
What logic is there in a landing of 50 humanoids to see a well?
JAC
One night in mid-September 1971, Juan Rodriguez Dominguez, 80, was guarding a melon farm owned by a lieutenant general of infantry, called "Los Lunarejos" in Aznalcóllar (Sevilla).
About 10:00 pm, Juan, came into the village, very nervous and very scared.
He told his neighbors that "something" very big, like a bus, had landed in the field.
The researchers Ignacio Darnaude and Manuel Osuna managed to interview the witness.
Juan said that about 350 feet away, he watched the landing of a large luminous object, from which descended out of two doors (front, side and back side) a large number of humanoids.
The witness said it was very similar to buses on route to the capital Seville.
He saw more than 50 men of small stature wearing tight, blue uniforms.
They wore "visors" or "something" that prevented him from seeing their faces.
They advanced like a small army, without speaking, in perfect order.
They all went in the direction of a well.
5 or 6 humanoids stayed in the vicinity of the device.
One of small beings had a "lantern" that shone on the witness, causing minor discomfort.
Juan was armed with a shotgun, but never thought of using it (deterred by the large number of humanoids).
At that time, he believed that the beings sent him a mental command (telepathy) to leave the place. He did so, fleeing in fear to the village.
At first Juan thought it might even be an attempted coup against the regime of Francisco Franco.
In the landing place, there appeared traces of a multitude of small footprints.
No doubt this incident is a case of distortion, as Juan Rodriguez, had done military service, worked for a high-ranking military and humanoids behaved and dressed as military.
Besides, the "vehicle" that came down with more than 50 "soldiers" was very similar to the bus that the witness was accustomed to seeing pass through the village.
In fact, the “vehicle” had two doors like that bus which contained lots of people just like the humanoids in the UFO.
Juan unconsciously combined the passengers factor with the military factor (the military is evident throughout all the experience ).
Even the conduct of the alleged alien who shined a light on Juan, was the same as what a military troop might do.
What logic is there in a landing of 50 humanoids to see a well?
JAC
11 comments:
- Part One
Dear Mr. Caravaca:
Reference your "distortion theory," and the following blog post comments here, where you say:
"In fact, the 'vehicle' had two doors like that bus which contained lots of people just like the humanoids in the UFO.
"Juan unconsciously combined the passengers factor with the military factor (the military is evident throughout all the experience ).
"Even the conduct of the alleged alien who shined a light on Juan, was the same as what a military troop might do.
"What logic is there in a landing of 50 humanoids to see a well?"
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Logic? You expect any form of advanced non-human intelligence to appear or behave necessarily in some anthropomorphic, rational, or logical manner?
I think I'll have to act here a little as a kind of "devil's advocate" in order to broaden the discussion, and to question to some degree your findings or interpretation in this case, although you could be correct in your conclusions. Maybe.
How about an "intended distortion theory," or forms of deliberate "anti-logic"?
While it is most likely, as you say, that, due to the witness's age (80), prior experiences, perception on a subliminal level of surrounding environmental changes, etc., that the witness may have hallucinated and/or confabulated his experience and his subsequent retelling of it, due to a variety of psychological, subconscious, and other internal factors, do you dismiss out of hand that perhaps there may have been an external triggering event (whether prosaic, natural, or possibly intentionally directed at the witness by unknown variables)?
I think you should not leap to conclusions based on what you think may be the causal factors, or what seems rational and logical to you, when, in fact, your analysis is a retroactive construct based upon the residual data still available in the record about this case. The UFO phenomenon, and the intelligence behind some of it, which may be non-human in rare cases, and thus _could_ be extremely sophisticated or beyond the imagination of most and just might be involved.
You may need to rethink your distortion theory, as it certainly does not explain some of both the best and equally, bizarre, cases on record.
Perhaps an "intelligent agency" of some kind, non-human or otherwise, could initiate a trigger event or incident, drawing upon witness memory and environmental cues or even inadvertently (intent vs. no intent) affecting the perception, mind, and recall of the individual concerned, and the witness then sincerely believes and expresses a supposed sequence of events and sights which may or may not have happened as the witness both recalls and characterizes it.
That does not necessarily mean it all occurred in the witness's brain or imagination, however.
As Jacques Vallee has long noted, some UFO incidents have a character and modus operandi which denies logic, may be deliberately absurd and unbelievable to non-witnesses, and yet could still have been generated by external factors working on internal mind and brain functions for a variety of reasons, including plausible deniability, creating a social and cultural affect (myth is powerful), and injecting on a very subtle meta-level memetic effects not just on the witness, but more strategically, on those who learn of it, discuss it, publicize it, and contemplate the meaning or significance of it, even if there are no clearly known facts or evidence that can be used, discerned, or forensically provable at the first level of interpretation and analysis, meaning most debate about such stories resides at the "first-level" of whether the incident transpire as perceived and as the witness(es) describe, or not. There are however, ways to look at this issue on a second and third, or meta level.Reply - Part Two
As you say, "What logic is there in a landing of 50 humanoids to see a well?" Exactly! On its surface, superficially, totally silly and truly absurd. But what if that was part of a staged or designed external scenario, and not purely imaginal or internal to the witness? I mean, who would believe it, right? I sometimes use the metaphor of the Wizard of Oz, and suggest we should try to find the curtain behind which the manipulative source, whether prosaic or not, may create the appearance of a kind of "absurd reality," at least to the witness(es), and more intriguingly, unbelievable to those the story is told or becomes known to. There just could be a wizard behind the wizard who resides quietly, out of sight, behind the invisible curtain, manipulating human consciousness and mind in some situations.
Or, maybe not. Kind of depends on the circumstances, as always. But I do not consider it impossible that what the witness described might not have been shown to him with other motives and purposes involved, whether human, non-human, or triggered by prosaic natural phenomena affecting and creating a dream-like story in the witness' mind. Do we really know? Can it be proven? Does the evidence only point in one direction? Ockham's razor does not always apply, especially if some intelligent agency, regardless of origin or form, natural or not, is active and is operating covertly or outside of our understanding--tactically, that simplistic variable would be taken into consideration beforehand. Maybe the more absurd the better--but the accumulative volume and weight of these tales has an impact on human consciousness and belief in the long run, like snowflakes individually falling can become a snowstorm and deep fields of icy snow that need plowing. Look at the impact of myth, belief, and religions in particular. Need I say more?
Whether the incident as described occurred as portrayed by the witness, or not, cannot be proven one way or the other, and operates on a liminal or mythological level as a consequence.
The mere _debate_ about such anomalous and fortean incidents itself acts mimetically within cultures and upon human belief structures anthropologically and sociologically speaking.
It would not be wise to reach hasty or seemingly logical or prosaic psychological conclusions as the basis for some incidents, despite their inherent "high strangeness," such as in cases like this one, although I generally agree that your interpretation is more likely than the first-level one that the incident occurred as the witness stated, regardless of the nature of the "footprint evidence," which could have also been belatedly hoaxed. OTOH, you could be wrong. \
Think about what I'm trying to say--there could be other, more esoteric explanations for the seemingly fabricated or confabulated scenarios and tales some witnesses tell of very strange UFO encounters. How can we tell what a non-human (or conversely, unknown natural cause, like tectonic electromagnetic effects for one prosaic but sub rosa factor) might do to co-create or synthesize an experience that seems irrational, absurd, and illogical to most? Is there a wizard behind the curtain showing us the imagery of Oz, or not. I would suggest both options have at times occurred, that it is not a binary, either/or reductionist choice to be made. There is a "Third Kingdom," as Jerome Clark has discussed, and I simply ask you to consider other possibilities may be involved at times in such strange cases. We simply do not know, as yet, how to separate the wheat from the chaff to the degree we would like to sometimes think.Reply - @Mynona
What is your point? A great deal of what you underlined here is EXACTLY what Jose is contending. Forgive me, as I am in no way attempting to be rude, but your post seems to be flying around Jose's DT in circles here.Reply - Mynona, the distortion theory gives an answer to the absurd and illogical cases that Jacques Vallee seen as a complex phenomenon (with my admiration of his work).
Note that the UFO phenomenon, first of all, is a phenomena, singular and unique, so the mind of the witness prevails over the "external intelligence".
My theory explains "no logic" (Vallee Theory), the logic is provided from the unconscious of the witness, and so the logic is the same that produces dreams. It depends on the imagination of the witnesses and how they interact with the phenomenon.
Although you should know that my hypothesis envisages the existence of a real phenomenon (external) that serves as a guideline for the development of experiences.
I appreciate your extensive commentaryReply - AnonymousDec 16, 2011 05:21 AMThis assumes that the "well" that was being scrutinized was actually a well.Reply
- In that time, you could fly helicopters (chinook's) around the country to poison the water supply.
NATO or ANTI-NATO, perhaps.
The old man may have never seen a helicopter. How would you describe one, if you weren't allowed to use the actual word 'helicopter'?Reply
mental command (telepathy) to leave
He can't see the person he hears. Perhaps he has never seen a bullhorn?Reply- Anonymous,
You bring up an interesting point. If rebel forces were in the area, and you wanted them dehydrated ASAP, you'd poison wells. Perhaps there was no actual well -- but the melons themselves served as a water hole. Perhaps there was a lot of melon-busting taking place...
Who is the god of the water hole?Reply - Hi Parakletos...Reply
Their contribution is interesting. But be aware that the investigation of the incident determined that the object was silent and was very bright (the artifact). In fact the whole experience was a great silence.
The witness insisted that the crew were very small.
Ignacio Darnaude and Manuel Osuna, had extensive formation and experience, if it had been a helicopter, the researchers would have discovered...
determined that the object was silent and was very bright
It was dark out. The helicopter would have been illuminated. And in pitch-black night, things appear brighter than they would in the daylight.
I would need to see the exact questions that were asked of this man, as well as his exact responses.
An investigator might only ask enough questions to get the answer he wants, for his own psychological reasons.
Strange luminous encounters, from fleeting sightings to lethal attacks. At the fringes of those luminous phenomena which range from spook lights to freak lightning, there are some strange accounts for which there is no ready explanation. These involve lights that show a particular interest in human beings – and not always to their benefit.
More here: http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/4180/blasts_from_the_past_the_news_that_time_forgot.html
Sentient Fireballs and Biting Lights
Strange luminous encounters, from fleeting sightings to lethal attacks
At the fringes of those luminous phenomena which range from spook lights to freak lightning, there are some strange accounts for which there is no ready explanation. These involve lights that show a particular interest in human beings – and not always to their benefit.
Take what befell 12-year-old George Campbell and his father, EW Campbell. They were riding along the ‘Eighty-foot Road’, north of the city of Sherman, Texas, on the night of 4 October 1898. Somewhat after nine o’clock that evening, the boy was witness to a startling phenomenon:
He is a bright, intelligent little fellow, who said he didn’t believe in ghosts; that his parents had never scared him with spook stories, and he is one of the best- behaved scholars in the fourth grade at the Franklin school building. His story as told to a News reporter to-day is as follows: “Last night papa and I were riding along the ‘Eighty-foot Road’, about two and a half miles [4km] north of town, when all at once everything got very bright. We saw a great ball of fire coming down toward the ground. It got within about three feet [90cm] of the ground and seemed to rest for a while and then it went back up until it got clear out of sight. There was a buzzing sound all the time.” George describes it as being about 10 feet [3m] in diameter and that it hurt one’s eyes to look at it. Although they were very close to it, he says that he did not feel any heat. [1]
It’s a puzzling tale, one which nowadays might be interpreted as a UFO account.
Another encounter with a mysterious fireball did not have such a fortunate outcome. Twenty-two years previously, also in Texas, near the town of Palestine, another “intelligent boy” appeared, out of breath and “as pale as he could be”. His story was that he’d been trudging along a highway at night.
There was a negro woman riding a horse in the direction the little coloured boy was going. The boy appeared that night in Palestine… He said he saw a ball of fire come out of the sky and strike the woman and set her ablaze. The horse ran away with the woman afire on his back, and he ran to town to tell the people what had happened. The people went to look after further particulars concerning this curious incident, and they found the woman lying on the ground, her clothing burned off, but enough of life in her to tell that she had been struck in the breast by a ball of fire. She died the next day. The horse was afterwards found with his mane singed. People here think that she was struck by a meteor. [2]
In contrast, there are also numerous instances of death from above by freak lightning manifesting as balls of fire. These incidents are no less outré, but in such cases we might console ourselves with a natural explanation. In 1866, Miss Addie Murray, a schoolteacher in Ross township, Vermillion county, Illinois, met her untimely end in this way: “She was sitting in the schoolhouse with two pupils, when the house was struck, and she was found sitting in the chair dead, with her clothing nearly burned off, and the children severely stunned. The children describe the scene as a ball of fire falling into the room.” [3] Something similar struck John Whitton, a driver for a telegraph construction train in Leavenworth that same year. “He had occasion to lift the telegraph line off the ground, when a flash of lightning struck the line at that point, tearing it into small pieces, and instantly killing him. The men who saw the accident state that they saw a ball of fire as large as a man’s fist issue from Whitton’s breast.” [4]
An unfortunate death by a fireball in 1933 was accompanied by a curious premonition on the part of the unfortunate victim. “In San Rocco, during a thunderstorm, a cleric was killed by lightning. The priest was involved in a discussion with several of his congregation in the village street, when quite slowly a one metre [40in] big, orange-coloured fireball came floating through the air straight towards the priest, which then erupted in his vicinity. The incident made quite an impression on the superstitious farmers, more so, as the day before the priest had presaged his own demise that was soon to come.” [5]
A different kind of strange light, again attracted by the presence of a human being, was experienced by Alec Campbell, working as a game warden in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). One night, Campbell was walking by an old burial ground when suddenly a bright light appeared beside him. “The light turned into a ball of fire about the size of a softball and moved along at Campbell’s speed, he said… he turned and stared at the mysterious light. Immediately, the ball started advancing on him.” Campbell remembered the tales that said that if one encountered such a light, the best thing to do was to close one’s eyes, which would cause the light to disappear. He did so, and the light vanished. [6]
Could there be lights not only possessed of some sort of intelligence but which are capable of forming a unique rapport with a person and even delivering painful stings when they so choose?
This seems to have been the case in Richmond, Indiana, in 1978. The bizarre incident involved local resident Martha Grieswell, 46 at the time, whose house had been plagued by “flashing pinpoints of light” ever since one had come into her bedroom one night in early January that year. Grieswell described how it appeared to her that she and the light were watching each other. The little light approached her: “I said ‘No,’ and it stopped about one and half feet [45cm] away. Then I held out my hand and it came right over and sat in my hand and turned my whole hand a psychedelic purple. It glowed for a while, then shut down to a point of light, then rose from my hand – then the others started to come in…”
Over the following nights, dozens of the “floating, flashing lights”, mostly white and pinhead-sized, entered her bedroom through the closed window; after that, they became her constant companions as soon as evening fell. Grieswell also began to note some of these lights during the daytime, although then they seemed less active. She moved out of the upstairs bedroom, where the lights continued to manifest, and began conducting experiments to try to ascertain what the lights might be. She captured several in containers, including an aluminium cigarette case, and saw them shining through the container walls. Grieswell also immersed the lights in water, keeping them submerged for two days: “The lights were observed to ‘swim’ freely, and when released, to ‘fly’ free, their lights undimmed.” She got the same results when she locked them up in a freezer. She was only able to conduct these experiments when the lights were willing participants, since at other times they simply escaped through the walls of the containers. Radiation tests and an attempted chemical analysis turned up nothing. She did find out, though, that one thing had an effect on the lights. When she touched one with a burning cigarette, the light made “a crackling sound, as if you had wadded up cellophane very rapidly in your hand”. She was unable to replicate that experiment: “You can’t burn them any more. They move away too fast,” she explained. It dawned upon Mrs Grieswell that the lights might learn from experience and therefore might possess some kind of intelligence. When asked why she wanted to get rid of them, she gave the unnerving answer: “Because they bite.” At times, when the lights became more bright, they would sting or bite, giving off a sensation like “the sting of a sweat bee”, and leaving a very small welt. “They go through a tapping motion… When they land, they raise up, then light again… they feel like bugs when they sit on you and that’s when they burn.”
One night, a light got in her eye, which was a painful experience. The next day, she noticed that the eye was bloodshot and the corner crusted. When the lights were not stinging her, they had a tendency to land and crawl over her during the night. They also stung her husband, who wasn’t able to see them. This might be a significant detail; some of the many curious people who visited her house were able to see the lights, yet others were not.
Trying to escape the lights for a while, Mrs Grieswell went to her mother in Decatur, but on the third night after her arrival the lights came in through the window and were also seen by her mother. Perhaps, she reasoned, they had been able to follow her or had hidden themselves in her clothing or luggage. She got the impression that the lights meant to say that she could not flee from them. She sought help, and consulted scientists, ufologists and psychic researchers, but to little avail. As she said to the reporter who visited her (he wasn’t able to see the lights): “I’ve just made up my mind that I’m not going to get rid of them.” [7]
One of the psychic researchers whom Grieswell contacted offered as explanation that she might be “experiencing a stage of consciousness preliminary to becoming a psychic medium”. A plausible suggestion, coming from a psychic researcher, as puzzling luminous phenomena manifest themselves often around mediums, and are well known in the field of parapsychology. It is said that Helène Smith experienced the manifestation of mysterious globes or lights in her studio where she had taken up painting, long after her association and ensuing break-up with Theodore Flournoy: “The visions were accompanied by luminous phenomena. They began with a ball of light which expanded and filled the room. This was not a subjective phenomenon. Helène Smith exposed photographic plates which indeed registered strong luminous effects.” [8]
Then there is the case of Ada Bessinet, a Toledo medium of the 1920s. Denounced as a subconscious fraud by Professor Hyslop, who had investigated her during 70 sittings between 1909 and 1910, she clearly made more of an impression on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. He wrote, describing a séance with her: “Brilliant lights are part of the medium’s power, and even before she had sunk into a trance, they were flying up in graceful curves as high as the ceiling and circling back on us. One nearly rested on my hand. It seems to be a cold light, and its nature has never been determined, but perhaps the cold, vital light of the firefly may be an analogy.” [9] Hereward Carrington was another who was not impressed, but he did state that he observed some very curious lights at a 1922 séance which, “on request, hovered for a few moments over exposed photographic plates and that the plates, when developed, showed unusual markings which he failed to obtain by artificial means”. [10]
Notes
1 “Aerial Phenomena in Texas”, Dallas Morning News, Texas, 5 Oct 1898; “Aerial Phenomena In Texas”, Galveston Daily News, Texas, 6 Oct 1898.
2 “Burned To Death By A Meteor”, Burlington Hawk-Eye, Burlington, Iowa, 23 Mar 1876; “Burned To Death By A Meteor”, Ohio Democrat, New Philadelphia, Ohio, 30 Mar 1876; “Burned To Death By A Meteor”, Decatur Daily Republican, Decatur, Illinois, 11 April 1876.
3 The North-West, Freeport, Illinois, 23 Aug 1866.
4 Bangor Daily Whig And Courier, Bangor, Maine, 26 June 1866.
5 “Vuurbol Doodt Een Priester”, De Gelderlander, ed. Nijmegen, Netherlands, 18 Aug 1933.
6 Sanford Spillman: “Strange To Relate”, Winnipeg Free Press, Canada, 2 Aug 1969.
7 Barry Wood: “What Lights Through Yonder Window Broke?” and Barry Wood: “Others Say They’ve Seen The Lights At Mrs Grieswell’s House”, both in the Palladium-Item, Richmond, Indiana, 20 Aug 1978; also summarised in the Logansport Pharos-Tribune, Logansport, Indiana, 28 Aug 1978. An account of Martha Grieswell’s ordeal was also published in Wonders, Dec 1995, as “Life As We Know It Not”, by Mark A Hall, pp109–118.
8 Nandor Fodor: Encyclopedia of Psychic Science, University Books, 1966, 3rd printing 1969, p350.
9 Walter B. Gibson: “Human Enigmas That Still keep the World Guessing, No. 14 – Ada Besinnet”, Lethbridge Daily Herald, Lethbridge, Canada, 13 Jan 1925.
10 Fodor: Encyclopedia of Psychic Science, p30.